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PAT FISHER SOUTH JERSEY YOUNG GUNS - TRAVEL BASEBALL/SJ YOUNG GUNS


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PAT FISHER
SOUTH JERSEY YOUNG GUNS - SJYoungGuns.com

TRAVEL BASEBALL/SJ YOUNG GUNS

SOUTH JERSEY YOUNG GUNS
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Lindenwold New Jersey 08034
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During the Spring/Summer of 2010 I was ripped off with both my boys on two different teams but same story. I was sold that the SJ Young Guns travel "baseball program" was a high level development baseball program. JOKE! First off, the program is headed by two guys who didnt even start for their own high school baseball team. How can you coach high school players (youth players for that matter) and have them respect you when your players have played at a higher level than you have and they are just in high school. I have heard they started travel baseball programs because they had sons that they thought should be playing at a higher level. You will hear these "baseball guys" talk about others that have done this same thing and they will call it "daddy ball" It is exactly what they have done except now they are making money off of it which is a JOKE. The program is filled with FRAUDS. WATCH OUT!!! Check resume. Dont make the same mistake I have done with my sons.



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Jim; if that is your real name, you and I both know this is a fabricated story to say the least. It is very rare to have two brothers in the program which makes it even easier to see this as bogus.
Anyone reading this please take this at face value of nothing more than a father whose son was unable to compete at the Young Gun standard or someone running another program trying to tarnish my reputation while improving their program. To the public please email me any concerns or questions regarding myself, my partner, or the Young Guns program. <a href="mailto:coachfish@sjyoungguns.com">coachfish@sjyoungguns.com</a> An all new low for travel baseball by "Jim" for posting this made up story.

'Jim' must be from another program and trying to tarnish sjyg rep, cause based on the post, it's obvious he hasn't spent anytime around this program. So if the program was run by former HS starters it would be more legit? Top players don't always make great coaches. I'm almost embarrased that I was only a 3 yr varsity player (2 yr starter) for large HS, and these guys know more about the game and developing players than I ever will, as well as all other aau coaches I've been around. if the program started with their sons, that was over 10 yrs ago, and its much stronger now. No, you won't hear 'daddy ball' mentioned. They have respect for dads that volunteer time, but make it no secret that what they offer is at a higher level. For the services provided, there are bills to be paid, and interested parents pay for it. Coaches from other top programs have told me that their programs were modeled from sjyg. One interaction with coach Fish and you will understand.

You have got to be kidding me! The SJYG much like a lot of travel teams is based on politics, promises and the all mighty dollar. SJYG, AO, ASBA, Baseball U etc. all have their warts and struggles too as with any business. Let's be clean it's a business, not a volunteer organization that is really dedicated to your son. Some programs are just more ethical than others and parents that's what you need to align your son to: the programs that truly try to be ethical and honest. Be realistic about your son's abilities and don't let these so called travel guru's sell you the farm. Become your son's Marketing Director and it will get you a lot further. No doubt there are expenses for the travel organization as it is a business but the quality of the instruction is crappy. I often wondered when was the last time the SJYGs or any of the travel coaches attended educational conventions such as bethebest to learn new information to help the kids in their programs? Or how many of them have picked up the phone and asked for assistance to help a kid "break through"? If Fish even showed up for a practice at PVI and offered "player development" to the teams, then my name is Marilyn Monroe" aka a fantasy/figment of the imagination. He would offer player development in the name of paying for "lessons", however what exactly did $2000 cover? Just a fantasy folks if you think the owners of these organizations are dedicated to your boys, developing them, truly being an advocate and oh yes, keeping all informed and truly being a resource to the parents by having open dialogue. Even an ace pitchers father's couldn't get a call back from Fish and usually the run around from Smolenski. So please people pay your $2000 or whatever the new reduced rate is, but be prepared to pay for lessons and development outside of the organization if you want your son to continue to grow into the best baseball player he can be.

They (the owners) may have the right intentions at heart. I can't believe they just wake up and want to be jerks. But they severely, severely fall short year after year and hence the major disruption in the SJYG's organization this past year. These teams are only as good as the coaching staff...period.

South Jersey Young Guns is a top rate baseball program which coaches the “whole player.” Baseball is a team sport and is much more than talent, skills and fundamentals. It is just as much about integrity and good character. Couch Fish knows this, and the SJYG’s record speaks for itself. The time you spend writing these baseless attacks would be better spent with your children. You do them a disservice by victimizing them and yourselves. Hard work and tenacity, like anything else in life worth having is the answer, simple as that. Stop hating.

Baseball Mom has drank the Cool Aid. This isn't hating, it's stating a fact. Perception is reality honey and why don't you put that Cool Aid back in the refrigerator and do a survey of ALL your past members? Ask a simple question ---- would you recommend the SJYG org to your friend or colleague? You might be surprised at the results. And then and only then can you start to improve. So the stop hating comment....too funny. You can call it hard work and tenacity as being the objective of SJYG, but the real objective is: How do I take the money, do as little work as possible, keep expenses really low so I can make a huge profit? Oh and in reality, I don't care about the kids or that have entrusted you to do the right thing. Knowing darn well that the reason the parents have paid $2000+ are in the program is to get trained, to develop and prepare for playing at the next level if talented enough. It's my job as a parent to teach integrity, I'm not paying you $2000 for integrity, that's expected from the coach. But for two people who "think" they know the game and what it takes to have a successful program ----- they don't get it. The all mighty dollar got in the way instead of doing the right thing.

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'FTA' is clearly not a fan, and is at least informed, but what is the 'fraud' claimed by original poster? starting a program for his kid to play at a higher level is 'daddyball'? if his kid was the nucleus of the team but a borderline player, that would be different. i guess he should have left his son off the initial YG team even if he was talented enough, so noone would cry 'daddyball', & he can volunteer to coach the rest.

we all know it's a business. they put in time & get paid, don't claim to be volunteers, & don't claim to have played at any higher level than they actually did. it may not be the ideal fit for everyone, & there are no signed contracts holding anyone there.

if its a 'joke' & the instruction is so crappy, compared to who or what other program? those of you looking out for all of youth baseball by giving these warnings, please provide contact info for the programs that will provide the ultimate baseball experience at low cost, with the best coaches, who care very deeply about our kids and who got into it, not to make money & not for their son, but for their unselfish passion to teach baseball to other kids even if it keeps them away from their own family.

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